Wednesday 10 January 2024

Big fleas etc

Oh dear - Covid seems to be back with a vengeance round here at present.   But somehow, after lockdowns everyone seems to take it less seriously.  A close relative of mine who has very many health issues has to keep clear of Covid as it is likely to prove very serious should she catch it.   Both she and her husband wear a mask if they go out.   These days folk look askance at masks in this country but I have been to several far east countries where certainly in large cities and crowded places in general most folk wear masks.  But on the whole I would guess that most folk just carry on and many who do get Covid do shake it off in a few days.

I read in the Times today how studies in Brazil seem to suggest that Vegetarians and Vegans come off better where Covid is concerned.   Will this prompt thousands to become Vegetarian?Vegan?  

But it did make me think about how we look at diseases.   When I was born in 1932 Pneumonia was a real killer, especially of babies and young children.   I was the youngest of 5 children and out of us 5 two - Irene and Colin - died of pneumonia in infancy.   We other three all had it but survived.  We were born well apart (my sister was 22 years older than me).

When I was growing up in a small Lincolnshire village the scourge was TB.  Most families in our small village lost at least one member to TB and everyone was scared of getting it.   My mother fed me up - had there been the variety of foods there are today I would probably have had a weight problem but being Second World War time and there being no way to get about except by bus or bike (and the latter was cheaper once the bike was bought ) plenty of leg-power was needed to get from A to B .   That - and walking everywhere kept us all pretty fit.  Or so we thought.   But still the TB deaths carried on.   Or did until I think (this is only a guess, so please feel free to correct me) antibiotics arrived on the scene.

When I had my medical examination before going into teaching the doctor asked me when I had TB.  I said I had never had it but he said X Ray showed up plenty of 'TB Scars'.

I do remember the  advent of M and B tablets in 1938 (rather unimaginatively called after the producers May and Baker) and of course they were closely followed by Penicillin which I rather think was used to good effect during World War 2 to treat Winston Churchill's pneumonia.

Now antibiotics are bandied about like Smarties and many folk are saturated I understand. Folk seem to ring Medical Centres and ask if they can have an antibiotic as they have a throat infection and can't get an appointment to see their doctor for another three weeks.

And so back to Covid.   Will the small study in Brazil mean a giant rush to Vegetarian?   I doubt it.We have learned to take it in our stride - until the next nasty microbe makes an appearance.    Until a 21st century version of Spanish flu wipes out more people than died in whichever war precedes it.

Not a pleasant prospect from where I sit at my computer.  I try to watch the News as rarely as possible but sometimes I feel compelled to switch it on.  Some days it is as though Ukraine and Gaza and the dreadful killing and maiming, the hatred and the barbarianism don't exist any more.    Either they come last as an add-on or they are not mentioned.   Like Covid, like pneumonia, like TB - out of sight out of mind.

Everyone just keeps ploughing on.   Is there an alternative?   Can't think of one. 

57 comments:

Rachel Phillips said...

I recall at the start of Covid many vegans coming out badly. Your family may be able to fill you in on this. I see many prople wearing masks. Nobody takes any notice of them, each to their own.

Pixie said...

I still wear a mask at work but don't usually when I'm out an about anymore. Probably why I've been sick so much these past few months:)

I didn't realize how widespread TB was until I was reading an article about Thoreau who died of TB. My son's grandma is indigenous and spent three years in a TB hospital when she was a teen, didn't know about that until the last couple of years. I wonder if it will make a comeback.

I can't imagine losing a child, not to mention two, to pneumonia. I think it might have killed me. My youngest daugther was very sick once when she was only about nine or ten months old. When I picked her up in the morning out of her crib, she was grey and lethargic. A trip to ER and she was much better but in so much of the world, she probably would have died.

DUTA said...

One should definitely wear a mask when going out, where the crowds are. Also, inside if one's got visiting service people: carers, cleaners, gardeners , renovators.

Anonymous said...

I never realized you lost two siblings in infancy. Your parents! How do people get past a loss like that? Almost inconceivable now, but as you say, back in the day, you moved on. No choice. I have always wondered about the immune system. Some people fall victim to every bug out there. Others manage to sidestep virtually everything. There is a mystery to that, and once it is solved, it will change the course of medicine.

Anonymous said...

Ps: that anonymous is me. Debby.

Barbara Anne said...

It amazes me that so many people feel comfortable about Covid (and its variances) but I still wear a mask when away from home due to my auto-immune lupus. I prefer no unnecessary complications and, as my Granny used to say, "Don't borrow trouble"!

My maternal grandmother lost her first daughter, Anne Flornoy (family name) Hall, at age 2 from the Spanish Flu. Long ago it was a given that some children died, but that's not to say it wasn't heartbreaking.

Hugs!

Rachel Phillips said...

You would be lucky to get a doctor here to hand out antibiotics like Smarties for a sore throat. They would hand out statins like Smarties but antibiotics, no.

Ursula said...

Yes, once upon a time the one with the scythe sure reaped with wanton abandon. Enter God. What did he do to test Noah's strength? Asked him to build an ark, pick two of each species and off they went. My question, from when I first heard of this atrocity (about age six) and to this day: What happened to the rest of all species including men? Drowned? Who gives a toss? Certainly not the ALL MIGHTY (HA!).


But yes, catastrophes, man made or nature throwing a tantrum, keep us in check to this day.

What's a bit of the Spanish flu, TB and stuff mowing us down, not to mention war, to keep the population number under control? Once upon a time we took it in our stride. Now? Don't ask - it'll bring out the worst in me. A derisory snort. We have never had it so good. Not, of course, that the advances of medical science haven't got downsides.

As to the habitual Antibiotics takers [who, on the whole, barely know the difference between a virus and bacterial] I reserve my most derisory snort. They do indeed snuff them like Smarties. Someone in your blogging midst comes to mind. A nurse, no less. Well, wait for it: Sooner or later those antibiotics won't work anymore if oversubscribed. They also get pissed down the loo - going where exactly? It's shameful. Though dare say that a responsible doctor will put their foot down to stop a patient's nonsense.

Talking about doctors. Mine is chasing me round the block [by letter and phone calls] to have a flu jab, a Covid jab, this test, that test. Which is kind of them. I have never had either jab. Ever. Leave me alone. Naturally, one day I may come to regret my insolence. But seriously? To fill in the gap: My scepticism re medication can, no doubt, be attributed to the Contergan/Thalidomide scandal. Pills that were given to pregnant women to stave off morning sickness. Late 19fifties, early sixties. What do you know: Don't vomit now, give birth to a deformed baby later. It shook me to see those kids and, later, adults.

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Anonymous said...

I don't think anything will prompt thousands to become vegetarians or vegans Weave. Through my personal experience some people can be quite scathing about it, even if you are not 'preachy' about it, and is still seen by many as a nuisance, self-indulgent and flaky. More's the pity.
If you try to take a stronger stand you are seen as radical.
My husband, on maintenance medication for leukaemia, has a compromised auto-immune system, as is his brother's. Both have to be wary of infections carried to replaced heart valves, and when my husband last had Covid, he had to be treated at home over a week on a drip. Both men were not impressed on Xmas Day when relatives, knowing their situation, arrived and it was then revealed to the brothers one of the family members of this particular family were isolating at home with Covid. David wore a mask when the situation was revealed, again a narky comment surfaced with 'well you have to take it off to eat don't you?". If we had known, perhaps the brothers would have stayed at home, preparing to wear the fact, that they were the nuisance that day. Awkward. - Pam.




Tasker Dunham said...

In the mid-nineteenth century, my great-grandfather had 10 sibling. Only 3 survived to adulthood. The others died of TB.
Another killer was whooping cough. I caught it aged 6-months as was lucky to survive.

Susan said...

In China, people have worn masks long before Covid. The population density and close quarters have demanded it. Presently, Covid and the flu are on the rise nearly everywhere. Hospitalizations are increasing as well. More people are starting to wear a mask. In time, medical science will continue to improve and hopefully more cures will be available. I've heard antibiotic overuse is not the problem it used to be. Pain killers are presently over prescribed and addiction is seen with some frequency. Recently, world leaders are asking for an end to war. Death of innocent bystanders continues and humanitarian efforts are struggling to get to the people that desperately need help. What a state the world is in.

Heather said...

The news is certainly depressing and I think that all we can do is keep ourselves as fit and healthy as possible. In doing so we will be protecting others and helping the NHS.
My surgery does not prescribe antibiotic unless absolutely necessary.
As for global news - I can't bear to think about it. So much suffering of innocents when surely there must be better ways of solving international problems without waging war on each other. With all the progress mankind has made throughout the ages, this still remains.

Bea said...

We seem hearing here that Covid is certainly with us through the winter, but the infection is not as likely to send one to hospital. I've a couple of friends in LDN who have contracted it (again) and told me folk under 65 years of age are not eligible for the latest booster shot. I received the last available vaccine late autumn. (I'm in the US.)

Tom Stephenson said...

I have just got over my second dose of covid and I have never been vaccinated, but a younger friend of mine who has a degenerative muscular condition has just got out of hospital. I had pneumonia when I was a child, but did not think much of it at the time. I almost enjoyed the delirium. I think it all depends on your physical condition, and the latest strain of covid is not - I am told - as severe as the first. Something gets us all in the end and I am not too worried about what mine will be.

Traveller said...

I am a “vaccine going, yes please” type of person. My grandfather had polio as a child and I am very grateful I had the option to have a vaccine.

I find it interesting that people without a medical background conclude their “reasoning” is more sound than people who have spent years studying and researching these matters. I believe in expertise. I am a world expert in a field - nothing to do with medicine and not particularly important but it has given me a perspective. I spent many years developing this expertise in my working life. I respect others who have spent many years studying their field. I do not respect people who grain all their “evidence” from Twitter, “alternative media”, decry the mainstream media, and feel they know more than everyone else.

As for not having a vaccine developed in 2023 because of thalidomide - that is risible. Somewhat akin to saying “I won’t fly because of the Hindenburg!”

Sorry Weaver, but I got a bit miffed. Hope you are still feeling well and keep up the blogging as your posts and comments always make me think.

PS interesting comments on masks. In some countries, pre COVID, it was common manners to wear a mask in public if you had a cold.

Joanne Noragon said...

Where I live, masks are in abundant use.

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Cro Magnon said...

When I was small my greatest fear was Polio. We all had our jabs, but a few caught it anyway and one friend became quite disabled.

Virginia said...

I agree that we humans seem to be very slow learners - by now you'd think we might have worked out better disagreement solutions than we have. The UN seems to stand for Useless Nitwits, and the current wars seem to be about producing profits for the armament sector. I find watching too much news very bad for the mental health.

As to diseases, the current crop of nasties showed the foolishness of many authorities, and the stupidity of many people unwilling to exercise self-control or social responsibility. I'm from NZ, and the very early and strict lockdown undoubtedly saved many hundreds/thousands of lives - but ... wait for it... at the start the Opposition opposed lockdown saying it was unnecessary.

My family has stories of siblings dying of TB, and if you go to cemeteries from a century ago there are gravestones attesting to multiple deaths from a family, and often many from a small settlement all died within months of each other. Typhoid, childbirth, puerperal fever, pneumonia, even things like measles caused deaths.

I'm not overly surprised the Covid vaccine was developed so fast - it indicates more likely that other diseases could also be cured IF sufficient money and effort was applied. ... a bit like alternatives to fossil fuels, IF the machinations of the fossil fuel industry could be controlled.

You really pressed my buttons ever!!

Librarian said...

I can't remember you having mentioned before that there were actually five of you, and that two of your siblings did not make it to adulthood. That is sad, but as far as I know, was not all that uncommon (and still isn't in many parts of the world).
Here in Germany, people have Covid left right and centre. All the regulations we had before have been abolished last April. For instance, those who have it are not forced to self-isolate any longer, but fortunately, most are sensible enough to stay home - last but not least because they have symptoms similar to a heavy cold or flu. Masks are not mandatory on public transport etc. anymore, but I often spot people on trains and in supermarkets wearing them. I know it is the sensible thing to do, but I must admit that I found them so bothersome with wearing glasses and steaming up etc. that I was just so glad when we did not have to wear them anymore.
So far, my sister is one of the very few people I know who has not had Covid. I caught it last year in May, in spite of vaccinations, and O.K. had it twice (also vaccinated). We don't know how things would have turned out without vaccinations. What I do know for sure is that our friend R died of Covid a few weeks before turning 58.

Moira said...

I avoid people with masks as I think the are probably I’ll as masks help stop the spread of covid but do not stop you getting it. As far as vegetarian goes I eat a little meat and lots of vegetables, and apart from ice cream no ultra processed food.

thelma said...

I leave it to the experts to work out why we do or do not need vaccines or medicines. Every inexperienced Tom, Dick and Harry (there should be a female equivalent!) telling us what to do leaves me cold. Most things in life are down to chance, from that moment the sperm hits the egg to the final end is written in the wind.

But I thank the fates or whoever discovered insulin for the sake of my son who is a type 1 diabetic. We rely on a vast knowledge of expertise and we should be humble because of it.

Derek Faulkner said...

So far I haven't had Covid at all and good luck to those that still feel safer behind a mask. I would pick up on Rachel's second comment about doctors. Being a male of 76 I'm forever seeing comments in the pepers and news telling me that I should be requesting a blood test for Prostrate Cancer. So a week ago I called into my doctors and requested the paperwork to get one, I'm still waiting and will no doubt have to go and chase it up and still might not be lucky.

The Weaver of Grass said...

Thelma - I am now on Palliative Care 'end of life' and the kindness, efficiency and faith in their whole approach to the end is so very comforting. The lady who cleans for me has type 1 diabetes - she is wonderful and carries this awful 'disease' with good humour. She has a bleeper in her arm and we joke - bleeper means a couple of jelly babies and a cup of tea.

Cro I should have mentioned Polio - the first 'big' outbreak was in Digby in Lincolnshire I believe and many children went down with it - and as you say some were severely disabled. One Lincoln child spent around twenty years in an iron lung before she eventually died.

Ursula I value and enjoy your comments on my posts and feel we have a good healthy blog relationship but I would appreciate it if you would not hold what are quite valid arguments with others who post I often say how good it would be if we could all meet with a drink in my sitting room - there your points could be healthily discussed but please not on my comments page if you don't mind. x

Traveler - many countries particularly in the Far East seem to wear masks in towns every day. I remember stepping off a train in a place somewhere in China (can't remember where it is at least forty years ago) the air was heavily polluted with factory chimneys puthering out smoke. I soon bought and wore a mask myself.

Tom my feelings exactly. Now that i'm on Palliative end of life care in theory I expect to die fairly soon of cancer - but who knows - I might fall in my garage and crack my head open tomorrow. We have to take what comes.

Tasker I had forgotten whooping cough - one thing I didn't have although we all caught the usual measles, chicken pox and the like.

Well all of you - I certainly seem to have stirred up a nest of something/ Obviously a subject you all feel strongly about. Thamk you for voicing your opinions loud and clear.
As for me - all I can say that now the end is clearly in sight I have nothing but praise for every single person in my care team - their friendliness, their professionalism, their expertise and above all their good humour. Laughter at the moment is my best medicine and I am getting plenty of it with all the folk - friends, blogger friends, professionals, carers - bless them all.

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Anonymous said...

I will aways do what my Doctor suggests, so have had a covid booster every six months, the flu shot every year, and now the RSV shot. I have never had covid and only had the sniffles once in the last four years. I am glad our government makes it so easy and free to us to get all but the RSV shot. It is only free to people living in old folks home, but I gladly paid as I would not like to suffer the consequences of RSV as I had it several years ago. I am an old girl of 82. I also come from a family of many nurses and doctors {veterinarians} Gigi

Donna said...

I remember my mother talking about the horrors of the Spanish Flu...
I use a company called Jase Medical. They are wonderful in sending you a small case with antibiotics or any other medication you may need. Currently they only ship to the USA and Canada but are working on shipping internationally.
A little pricy but well worth my peace of mind. Already have used the amoxicillin for hubby's gallbladder infection when he couldn't get in to the doctor's office soon enough! Priceless.
Here's the link if you're interested in it for people in USA and Canada...for now.

https://jasemedical.com/

hugs
Donna

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The Weaver of Grass said...

Plase stop this arguing on my comments site. I appreciate your comments and I confess that my blog is one of the main things keeping me positive - that and the many dear friends I have who pop in regularly for a chat and a coffee or a sherry. My mother forbade any arguing in the house when I was a child - she just would not tolerate it. I have continued in that vein - resulting in two very happy marriages - my motto is never be unkind in what you say, if you can't have a discussion about something without getting 'hot under the collar' then it is best left unsaid. For many years my mother had a plaque on the wall which said:

'THREE THINGS NEVER RETURN: THE SPENT ARROW
THE LOST OPPORTUNITY
THE SPOKEN/WRITTEN WORD

Please, dear bloggy friends, TRY TO ABIDE BY THAT IF YOU POSSIBLY CAN, otherwise I shall have to close my Weaver site for ever. I feel strong. I wish to carry on for as long as I can in a positive way but try not to 'rock the boat'. Not having your support and your cheery comments would be a great loss. Of course you don't need to agree with anything I write - I love a good discussion as much as the rest of you but be nice about it, be kind. There is enough arguing in the world, enough unpleasantness; I love you all whatever your opinion on anything. x

Virginia said...

Sending love and happy thoughts to you dear Weaver, you deserve our appreciation and support. You certainly have mine.

The Weaver of Grass said...

You will see that many comments have been removed. This is because I can no longer cope with this sort of comment. I apologise if I have upset anyone. I am going to carry on posting when I get inspiration and feel up to sharing it with you. I hope those of you who have had a comment removed will continue to be part of our fantastic little community and let byegones be bygones. I still see in my mind's eye all of us aeguing happily sitting round with a drink in our hands - falling out/falling in again - good healthy argument. But please not in a comment which just breeds a build up of unpleastness.

Onwards and upwards

Rachel Phillips said...

Weave I apologise for defending Ursula but I felt it was right. I had no intention of causing such a ruckus. Sorry. I hope you soon post again. Rachel

Jennifer said...

Please continue to post and comment here, Weave. So many of us care about you and value what you have to say! I don't blame you for wanting to avoid contentious comments and unpleasantness. Goodness knows there's enough of that everywhere else online these days!

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Rachel Phillips said...

The obsessions of many are tiring John. It is not just Ursula here in this post. I realise that for you that may seem to be the case and I can see that but in fact there are others with obsessions too and sadly they are also tiring and affect many of us.

Ursula said...

I am writing this almost against my better judgment. But then I have never liked leaving loose ends.

We live in sorry times, Pat, when one [in this case, Rachel] can't defend another [in this case me]. Neither is clear to me why John makes it all about him and his UTIs. But then, forgive the snide side remark (I am only human), John makes everything about himself. To paraphrase his words: His obsession with me is not only fascinating, it's self indulgent. And let's not forget theeee "Anon", the one has it in for him - sometimes in a most amusing way - in his blog's comment box, the Anon he so courts and insists is me is NOT me. But who cares about facts when John can milk even dog snot to the nines.

I most certainly respect your wishes re your blog. And I considered carefully whether to say another word. I feel I owe it to Rachel who pointed out that I was singled out. Interesting that DF who started the whole back forth with Rachel goes Scott free, you let Traveller's comment - which as Rachel pointed out was directed towards me - stand, yet delete my perfectly reasonable answer to whoever Traveller is. I am sorry to discover, Pat, that you apply double standards; that you let fingers being pointed in the wrong direction/s. That is not what peace keeping is about. Yes, I understand that you wish to keep everything just so. Alas, we can't have it all ways. Sometimes in life we need to take a stand. Rachel did just that [on my behalf, on behalf of my being singled out by you - and for that I thanked her; privately, via email]. It takes grit and a spine. She could have easily said nothing. I would have kept this reply to you private too; alas I don't have your email address. In fact, I would have left the whole caboodle and fallen silent ... full stop. I shan't say anything further - that what needs to be said - in accordance with your wishes and considering your frailty.

I wish you well, Pat. And I join Rachel in her sentiment that neither she or I wanted to upset you.That I will hesitate to ever utter another word on your blog I hope you'll understand. I wasn't brought up like you. I was brought up with a questioning mind, accepting that there will be conflicting views. Views that can be discussed without being shut up.That way I learnt how to cope with conflict, how to [try to] resolve it, how to find compromises and most of all how not to nurture resentment and a stomach ulcer.

On a final note: I join the chorus of your other readers who urge you to keep writing. It would be a hell of a loss if you didn't. Both for you and your readers.

Ursula

Rachel Phillips said...

Thank you. Let us stop and draw a line under it now for the sake of peace for Weave.

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The Weaver of Grass said...

Aline has been drawn -let's all forget and start again. As I said earlier onwards and upwards.

I would just point out that I did not personally delete the comments - they were deleted for me by a friend who was distressed by seeing how much I was upset by the whole thing when my health is so fragile. When I said that I wish I could find the strength to delete the lot she offered to do it for me. I sat by her side as she did it and any which we possibly missed were missed by accident rather than design. After such an interesting lot of answers and so many different opinions it is such a shame that the whole thing went rapidly downhill.

Granny Sue said...

I am so sorry people forget where it is they are posting their arguments. Please continue to blog, Weaver, there are many of us who want to stay in touch with you, especially these days when your health is, as you said, fragile. Your blog has always been a place I can come to read, relax, learn, and quite often laugh. Sending my best to you. Stay warm and keep posting, dear Pat.

Marianne said...

I enjoy reading your thoughts and observations, you kind and gentle words bring a smile to my day and peace in my heart.

Anonymous said...

Pat, you don’t know me (and I am reluctant to identify myself on public forums for personal reasons) - but I just had to send this to say how much I enjoy reading your blog and to ask you to continue. I admire you very much and your posts are always interesting to read. Sending you love and positivity xx

Anonymous said...

Weaver - I have been indulging in your blogs for some time now without commenting. Thank you so much for your good cheer, penetrating thoughts and great appreciation for this wonderful difficult amazing world we live in. You have broadened my perspective. Be well in heart and spirit as you journey through this final chapter.

Chris from Boise (Idaho, USA)

Anonymous said...

Leggo i tuoi post che sono molto interessanti e c'è sempre qualcosa da imparare, riflettere ed a volte sono molto divertenti soprattutto quando parli della tua vita con il contadino o quello che facevi quand'eri bambina. Abito vicino a Milano in Italy in very small town.
Il tempo qui è molto freddo in questi giorni -1 max 6. Ho vissuto e lavorato a Londra parecchi anni fa' but my English is not that good. My name is Ombretta (littleshadow).
Le chiedo gentilmente di continuare a pubblicare sul suo blog ed invio i miei affettuosi saluti e tantissima positività XXX

Anonymous said...

You should become better acquainted with the story of Noah before making mocking comments. Noah pleaded with men for 100 years to come on to the safety of the ark when it was time. Their response was to mock him and God. The world had become a dark place. If one doesn't believe the story literally, the allegory should be clear. Our selfishness and deliberate ignorance, not God, are what destroy the innocent. You obviously have only a superficial knowledge of the story. In some cases seven, not two animals were chosen. We see again in our time an apparent willingness to destroy the world despite the consequences, including the loss of the beautiful creatures and even ourselves. It's more rewarding to mock. Emily

Brenda said...

Prayers. So sorry for what has happened on your blog..so sorry…I can’t imagine…Brenda

Meanqueen said...

Translation from the Italian above.

I read your posts which are very interesting and there is always something to learn, reflect on and sometimes they are very funny especially when you talk about your life with the farmer or what you did when you were a child. I live near Milan in Italy in very small town.

The weather here is very cold these days -1 max 6. I lived and worked in London several years ago but my English is not that good. My name is Ombretta (littleshadow).
I kindly ask you to continue to publish on your blog and I send my affectionate greetings and lots of positivity XXX

Weave, a lot of people love you. Perhaps ask your trusted friend to check over your comments and delete any undesirables. It helps if you delete anything negative as soon as they arrive. People are troubled, we have to accept that. Look after yourself. Lots of love. ilona

The Weaver of Grass said...

Thank you meanqueen.

Marcia LaRue said...

In S. CO this morning: 1° going up to 4° for the day! Bitter, bitter cold!!