There is an amusing article in today's Times by Robert Crampton where he quotes Isaac Foot, a Liberal MP (and the father of Michael Foot - a man I greatly admired for his principles). Apparently Isaac Foot said "I judge a man by one thing: which side would he have liked his ancestors to fight on at Marston Moor". I wonder
when (or maybe I should say if) everything dies down, when all the present posturing, tantrums, lolling on benches and banging of tables and stamping of feet goes away and everyone starts behaving like normal people again and when we are gone and our children and grandchildren have in herited the mess left behind if they will ask the same question of us and the present mess.
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Well one thing's for sure, every day that we think it can't get any more muddled or chaotic - it does! There's a gang of Remainers that are determined that whatever it takes, they will stop Brexit happening and so far they are succeeding.
Whilst all those greedy, power hungry, pathetically self interested feeders at the trough squabble and jockey for position, the planet is still heading for an ecological disaster but they are all spending too much time on themselves to do anything about it. I am very afraid for my family's next generation who are mere babies now.
Our grandchildren will ask, why weren't we out on the streets protesting, and causing more chaos I suppose! The Parliamentarians won at Marston Moor and Prince Rupert pranced off a loser. There is a painting of him with his dog, a poodle I think.
I am appalled at the current state of affairs. It is beyond belief that this country is led buy so many inept individuals all squabbling like naughty children. Is there really no one who can bring things to a reasonably satisfactory conclusion? I am almost past caring to which party they belong, and am embarrassed by what the rest of the world must be thinking of us.
Just the word 'Brexit' and I am no longer interested. Thoroughly fed up with the lot of them.
Briony
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I think Labour should have Keir Starmer as leader.Look up his cv.
There is only one side. Great Britain.
I'm with JayCee. Couldn't believe my ears the other day when it was revealed during an interview that Germany was going to continue using polluting brown coal to make emissionless electric cars and that they would pay 6,000,000,000 euros in penalties for the privilege. So much for the Paris agreement. As to those donkeys braying in Westminster. They should've voted for Theresa May's deal. I've said so repeatedly.
I will have to look up Marston Moor before I can answer that Weave. Give me 12 hours please, I'm cooking.
If it is at all relevant, I would have been a Royalist in the Civil War. Cromwell banned Christmas. That is worse than regicide in my book.
The Labour Party is not without problems but I have been a member for 50 years. And I still support their policies. There you asked which side I am on. Also they have good policies re the environment, fossil fuels etc. Totally against fracking for instance. There isnt one Labour Party politician who is out to feather their own nest that I know of which to me says it all when you look at the Tories.
The stress it is causing me is unreal. My European co-workers and friends don't feel welcome here any more, they tell me...
I still cannot forget or forgive David Cameron,who got us into this mess,singing to himself,walking back into No 10 and leaving someone else to deal with the consequence of his actions.
Always the question, isn't it. The old union song of the thirties was, Which side are you on boys, which side are you on?
How sad that people are supposed to take sides in the first place.
Planet Earth has no "sides". It is (more or less) a sphere.
I don't think they are supposed to take sides, Librarian, that's what has gone wrong. It should have been after the result that Parliament all pulled together as they said they would in their manifestos. But they haven't.
Just think of all the fodder this is creating for future politics students. But will anybody learn from it? Do they ever?
Unfortunately there have been "sides" pretty much since Planet Earth as we know it, started. Sides in religion, sides in countries, and sides in politics. In a perfect world we would have one government carrying out the will of the people without being opposed by the "other side" but it's never like that.
Weaver illustrates it perfectly by asking the question.
Exactly
When I was a teenager I was a Mod, not a Rocker. I became a Rocker in my thirties when I got a big bike. I have always been a sort of, in the middle, type of person. Now I am on my own side.
Ref: Politics - It's a complete shambles and I am one for reading my book instead (got a super one on Welsh murders when in Hay yesterday). My husband is content to watch 24 hour news or politics but my eyes soon glaze over. British politics does not look good in the eyes of the world.
I don't blame you for ordering a new electric blanket - we have ours on already as Wales suddenly feels a good bit colder at night. We even had the patchwork quilt pulled up over the duvet this week, instead of folded back across our feet.
Whether you love him or loathe him, Jeremy Corbyn's recent emergency debate statement to parliament deserves to be read in full. I should think it would strike a chord with many people who think they'd never in a million years agree with anything he said. Eloquent, dignified, statesmanlike. If, after the referendum, the conversation about Brexit had been conducted on this level by all sides, we would probably now be out of the EU with a deal that protected people's livelihoods and which would in the long term bring people together.
https://labour.org.uk/press/jeremy-corbyns-emergency-debate-statement/
I have heard it said that if you superimpose a map of the allegiances of the country's areas in the Civil War over a map of which areas voted leave and which, remain, there is a striking similarity.
I do hope you are well.
I've been thinking the same, Diana. Hope all is well in North Yorkshire.
Thank you for the response folks. You all talk a lot of sense - even if it is not all the same sense. Hopefully we shall look back on it in a year or so and thank goodness it is all behind us.
Welcome to our world in the US, after many years of that inept bastardized, tRump...
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