Saturday 16 February 2019

Signs of the times.

I see that Rachel does not really believe in climate change.   I really don't know enough about it to make an educated comment, but there is no doubt that glaciers are melting and that there are signs of change everywhere - but whether permanent or just  a passing phase - we can all argue about that I suppose.

But it is interesting that many young people have decided to do something about it and protest with their strikes yesterday.   I can't discover whether our local comprehensive took part.   It would be interesting to question some of the young people individually to see what they know about it and how well informed they are or whether they are just 'jumping on the bandwagon'.

But there is an interesting article in today's Guardian which is certainly food for thought.  It really does seem at present that the protesting school children are putting our politicians to shame.   Dominic Grieve (the former Attorney General) quite rightly in my opinion, suggests that all this business of threatening to leave without an agreement is tantamount to a 'three year old threatening to hold  his breath if he doesn't get the toy he wants'.   And in the same article (by Jonathan Freedland) Nancy Pelosi (Democrat House Speaker) suggests that Donald Trump's behaviour over 'the wall' at present in nothing more than a Temper Tantrum.   I love the way she describes it saying that as a mother of five and a grandmother of nine she recognises one when she sees one.

What times we live in - if you believe in climate change - when the young are protesting about what in the future may well be seen as the most important thing in our generation while politicians on both sides of the Atlantic are indulging in such childish behaviour.

25 comments:

EM Griffith said...

As I've said for years, global warming is both real and has been (literally) happening since the ice age. Science indicates it's speeding up. Protests aren't going to change anything, though, and neither is the "New Green Deal" being touted on our side of the pond. Zero fossil fuel usage in 10 yr.s isn't only practically and financially impossible, China puts out 3x the emissions the U.S. does. Instead, we need sane, intelligent discussion towards workable solutions on a global scale. Politicians today aren't capable of that. None of them. All are embracing histrionics, throwing tantrums in their own ways. Pelosi included. My grandmother used to say when pointing in blame, 4 fingers are pointing back at you. There's too blasted much blaming, bickering, protest and tantrum throwing going on these days. Whatever happened to civility, I wonder?

Joanne Noragon said...

And I am grateful I cannot live long enough to do more than complain.

Simon Douglas Thompson said...

It depresses me. Yes, I'm sure the odd kid was there out on a jolly, but a lot weren't. It's their future, which will be affected by Climate Change and Brexit more than anyone else's.

DUTA said...

Is it " permanent or only a passing phase"? This is the big, one billion dollar question. We would like to believe it's a passing phase as the alternative will involve freezing/melting of territory, and swallowing of islands (yes, even the big islands of UK and Australia). Nobody knows anything, except God.

As someone who believes in God and His Creation, I'm only sure of the fact that Man has constantly violated the rules of the universe by wars, migration, conquests etc..and maybe we're facing now a Reset. Nothing we can do about that.

Jomo said...

Hello yes I believe in God too mankind will not destroy His creation however clever we think we are.

JoJo said...

I have no idea who Rachel is, but She obviously is not a scientist who is an expert in this area. How things have changed, people with little science education happily conclude that ten experts are wrong.

Brexit is a similar issue, People voted for out without any idea what that meant. Ask a Berixter how they will solve the Irish border and wait for an answer...I am still waiting.

The US is even worse. Trump{s declaration of an emergency, listen to that speech...or better read it!

John Going Gently said...

things are a changing

wherethejourneytakesme said...

I cannot see how all the carbon dioxide we are pumping into the atmosphere everyday does not have an impact of some kind on the world. Call it climate change or whatever there is definitely a change in the weather patterns. I once read an interesting book that said that if we got close to destroying our planet then the planet might just destroy us first.

Sue said...

At the root of every problem - money. Not that it's all that simple, but on the subject of climate change, I believe if money was taken out of the equation, we'd be a lot closer to protecting our planet.

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Tom Stephenson said...

Rednecks deny climate change through human causes, and Liberal vegans blame it all on us. I prefer the middle way espoused by people who really know what they are talking about. People like David Attenborough, who say that the only way back is to kill half the world's population. What we need is a big, fat asteroid to hurtle into the Earth's atmosphere. That way only God is to blame and we don't need any other evil despot.

Bea said...

Tom's brought up a salient point. Over-population has done much to damage the planet.

Joanne Noragon said...

Note to Tom: perhaps the Yellowstone volcano will erupt, and earth as we know it will be gone. Perhaps in my lifetime.

Cro Magnon said...

The Earth's climate has always changed. It's a natural cycle that has nothing to do with plastic bottles or school children. However, good for them to show concern, although on the weekend might have been wiser.

To save the long term future of our planet, we need to reduce population; it's as simple as that.

Derek Faulkner said...

I seem to recall you writing not so long ago Pat, that you weren't going to read or speak about politics, it is such a boring subject, not made any more entertaining because a load of kids decided to play truant for the day.
As for global warming, I agree with Rachel, temperature variations have been happening since the year dot, it's just we've got better at measuring such things. No one mentioned global warming in the cold winters of 1947 and 1963, or the heatwave of 1976.

Rachel Phillips said...

Who pays the scientists? Take a look. Do scientists lie? Take a look. Did the Climate Research Lab lie? Take a look at that one. Do you understand the trade winds and the shift, or even know what they are? Take a look at those. Weather patterns change and are changing. This is climate change. The Guardian will love teachers taking children on to the streets in protest fuelled by politics and nothing more. No other paper will.

JoJo said...

Weather patterns do indeed change. But to deny man made climate change is ridiculous. Similarly to say plastic bottles are not a problem is ridiculous. How about adding anti vaccinations to the issue as well.

Looking at a couple of exceptional years and saying that is proof that weather patterns change all the time, is problematic. It is similar to Trump saying the recent mid west cold spell is proof there is no goblin warming!

JoJo said...

Or even global warming but I think goblin warming sums it up nicely!

Gwil W said...

Its not that long ago since ice fairs were famously held on the Thames. By the way the temperature in Austria will be between 10 C and 17C (50 F and 62 F) today, I remember going to see the Norber erratics in Yorkshire and learning how they got there and visiting Malham Cove which was once a waterfall bigger than Niagra. In Scotland I went to a place where the shoreline could be seen 12 feet above where it is today. There's nothing we humans can do to stop the sun and the planets doing their thing. We cannot change the periodic wobble of the Earths axis, we cannot alter the courses of the sea currents, or the winds, or change earths wandering magnetic fields, but we can only monitor the situation and measure the effects on the high atmosphere and on the land and insect populations and desertification and do what we can to keep our own place clean, free from poison and pollution, and in best order for the next generation.

John "By Stargoose And Hanglands" said...

Like most of us I don't claim to understand the science but surely producing more and more plastic waste and burning huge amounts of fossil fuels can't be good for our environment. Any child can understand that much.

The Weaver of Grass said...

What an interesting read - so many different views, so much to think about. Thanks to all of you for taking the time to visit and put together a reply.

Heather said...

A very thought provoking post today. The world has undergone many climate changes in it's time and I am not at all sure we can do much about climate change itself. However, I do admire our young people for trying to take care of the planet which is something we should all be doing, politicians included. They seem to have no understanding of natural history and the countryside and that worries me. The way we live and the way our businesses are conducted can make a difference, and if we chose the right way to do things we may avert disaster. If we ignore all the signs then we only have ourselves to blame.

the veg artist said...

I agree with Gwil. There's nothing we can do to alter natural cycles, but we can at least keep the place clean.

Living Alone in Your 60's said...

My personal opinion is that we will drown in plastic long before the rising tides etc. Insects are dying off at 3 times the rate of animals. The dye has been cast.

JoAnn ( Scene Through My Eyes) said...

Scary times - but we saw an ad today that showed two of the student leaders from the Parkland Florida school mass shooting - and they said the way to gun law change is 7.4 million millenials who are registered to vote. It gives one hope for the future when young people (as young as 17 and 18) are making strides in taking care of serious problems in our world.